you going to listen to me, at least you'll listen to george bush. >> right. one of the things i want to think about here is the extent to which this has come back into our conversation around the zimmerman case. but i feel like, for example, when the president stood and talked about his experiences of personal profiling that maybe we started to lose -- the conversation has typically been about structural, institutional, and police profiling. >> right, right. i mean, human rights watch back in 2000 was talking about this. they looked at seven states across the country that actually had these 80% to 90% numbers. decade before that, we had studies in new york, they were looking at it and showing how rikers island and prisons across new york, it was the same seven neighborhoods. so yeah, we need to think about systemic and structural issues because it's not something band-aids on cancer can fix. we need to look at how to look at this and correct the last 30 to 40 years of tough on crime and drug war rhetoric and policy that have completely failed and left us with